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Saturday, July 2nd, 2005
11:40 pm - rings

Wow, this community has been extremely silent for a long time. Wake!!
I cannot remember who brought about the issue of rings in Norwegian (Viking) mythology. Well, I've just read an interesting book on Nordic legends and myths and rings are main characters most of the time. What caught my attention though was the fact that some rings had evil powers while others carried some sort of "gift". Now, my questions is: does someone here know the exact meaning and importance of rings in Nordic mythology? do they have some symbolism or stand for something else? Hope you can help me...

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Wednesday, March 31st, 2004
8:57 pm - hello!

I've just joined and wanted to post a quick "Hello!" message.

I guess I should say a little about me too, so...

I love Lord of the Rings! I'm fascknated with Languges and can spend (and have spent) hours looking at texts writtin in Old English and comparing the words with their current English tranlations. It's fascinating! I've read beowulf twice. I'm in love with rohan, and find that i connect with Eowyn quite wonderfully. I write fanfiction, and have a few stories published on fanfiction.net (ff.n bio). Well, that's about all I can think of!


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Tuesday, March 2nd, 2004
6:44 pm - Andvarinaut


Here's a bit about Andvarinaut, the cursed ring from Norse myth, and the likeliest source of inspiration for Tolkien's One Ring:

In Norse mythology, Andvari is a dwarf who can assume the shape of a fish if he is pursued. He lives underneath a waterfall and collects great wealth with the help of his ring, Andvaranaut.

He was caught by Loki with a net provided by the goddess Ran and forced the yield all the gold he possessed. The dwarf tried to withhold his ring so that he could rebuild his wealth. Loki made him give up the ring as well and the dwarf cursed the stolen gold which would from then on bring disaster to all who owned it.

The gold was used by the gods to pay a blood-debt to pay Hreidmar, the father of Fafnir, because they had killed his son Otter. This myth formed in later times the prelude to the Nibelungsaga.

Wagner told the story of the ring in his famous operatic cycle Der Ring des Nibelungen, which charts the progression of the ring from Andvari to the end, showing the endless stream of misfortunes that befalls those who hold the beautiful ring.

Some have said that andvaranaut is the basis for the modern urban legend about the Hope diamond, which is also beautiful and worth a fortune, but is said to bring pain and misfortune to all who hold it.

-- from Pantheon.org (thanks, Micha!)

And that's about a billion parallels, in case you missed it ;-)

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Sunday, February 22nd, 2004
12:21 am


First of all, thanks for your comments... it's good to see such interesting comments. I really like this community.

Going back to the Tolkien issue. Maybe you have already visited this site, but anyways... I think it would be quite interesting for people to check it out and learn a little bit more about Tolkien and his job... I've seen some of the articles posted at the Tolkien Society and must tell that they exceedingly interesting and serious. So try it!!

current mood: awake

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Friday, February 20th, 2004
11:34 pm - my first time


I've just joined and wanted to say hi to everybody here.

Reading your posts I saw that someone mentioned that Tolkien copied, stole or something... sorry, bad memory... some words or prompts from older tales for his. Well, personally I think he did not. You have to remember that he was a philologist... and the Old English language was actually one of his subjects of study. So he used all the devices he had at hand... Also he contributed a lot to the enhancement of the English language. Any of you who happened to have access to the OED will find out that many of the words he used in LOTR became part of the language thanks to him... also he was one of the chief collaborators for the first edition.

current mood: creative

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Sunday, February 15th, 2004
10:14 pm

Gabriele sent me these wonderful bits: 

On the meaning of "Mark":

- Derived from Ancient Germanic *marka, it means the frontier districts in the Realm of the Franks since the time of Charlemagne until appr. the 12th century (there is still a Mark Brandenburg in Germany, east of Berlin).

- At the time of Charlemagne the marks or marches were Brittany, Northern Spain (against the Musulmans) and the Eastmark (along the German rivers Ruhr and Weser) against the heathen Saxons. The marches were governed by margraves (Markgrafen, Latin: marchiones), a position more powerful than that of a count because it included military leadership outside the borders of the realm.
- "Song of Roland", the consilium scene where Marsilius' peace offer is discussed, and Charlemagne refuses to send any of the peers, choose "un barun de ma marche," he says. My dictionary gives pays frontière. One of these marches was Brittany, and in the 9th century Vita Karoli Magni by Eginhard, Roland is called "Hruodlandus Brittannici limitis praefectus", the position which in the Song of Roland is hold by his stepfather Ganelon.

A snippet about the [real] Rohan family:
The Duchesse de Chevreuse, known from "The Three Musketeers" (in the continuation "Twenty Years Later" she has a son with Athos), and a historical figure, was born Marie de Rohan.

current mood: grateful

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Saturday, February 14th, 2004
11:58 pm - talking "beowulf"

The parallels between Beowulf and cultural Rohan never cease to boggle my mind. It's soooo cool. Tolkien is the world's wisest thief, for sure.

Here's some junk that stirs my brain:

- Rohan has the Eorlingas. Beowulf has the Brodingas and the Helmingas.

- The manner of Theoden's death in The Battle of the Pelennor Fields is very much like Beowulf's own death against the dragon. Theoden gets help from Eowyn, and Beowulf from Wiglaf.

- Sword-naming is so cool! Beowulf has Naegling and Hrunting. Gandalf has Glamdring. Theoden has Herugrim. And Eomer has Guthwine.

- Bilbo and Beowulf. Twelve people each (the twelve apostles no doubt being the antecedent). Meeting fate with a dragon.

- Here's a quote of Hrothgar's from Beowulf: "Thus I ruled the Ring-Danes for a hundred half-years under the skies, and protected them in war with spear and sword against many nations over middle-earth, so that I counted no one as my adversary underneath the sky's expanse. Well, disproof of that came to me in my own land, grief after my joys, when Grendel, ancient adversary, came to invade my home."

... yes, that's right. He said "middle-earth." Can we change his name to Gandalf now? Please?

Oh my goodness. I could go on and on.

current mood: impressed

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Thursday, February 12th, 2004
10:05 pm

Right, so we know how Tolkien was heavily influenced by the runic languages--especially when it came to Rohan (Eowyn's name, of course, comes from the rune letters for "horse" and "joy").

I found this awesome site:

It discusses the origins of the runic alphabet ("futhark"), and even notes parallels between Futhark, Greek, Etruscan (another of those "we have no idea where this language came from" languages, like Basque), and even the Ogham alphabet.

Ogham. That's the ancient Gaelic alphabet, reportedly created by the god Ogma (ignore the spellings--both words are pronounced to sound like "poem" without the p).

*sigh* Anything that can connect Eowyn's world to the world of Irish myth is worthy of a bookmark on my browser menu.

current mood: unbelievable

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Tuesday, February 10th, 2004
9:55 am

Here's what I last posted on the main site (12/11/03):

Henrik sent me these great bits of info

- The western part of Rohan, called Westfold, is named after a place in Norway, where it's spelled "Vestfold."

- Mark is typical in Scandinavian place names, such as Vingulmark in Sweden.

- There was once a king who ruled over Vingulmark by the name of Gandalf.

- Normandy was a part of France originally settled by the Norwegian exile Gånge Rolf (famously "Rollo"), who gave up his Viking ways and helped the French king combat pillaging, and received the land in return. Normandy's capital back then was Rouhen. Furthermore, one of France's noble families in Bretagne is Rohan.

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Monday, February 9th, 2004
7:25 pm - Welcome!

This is the jazzed-up "dumping grounds" for all things related to Rohan, Eowyn and similar Lord of the Rings topics.

If you find something cool, and you have a Live Journal account, you're welcome to join this community and post your findings for all to see.

If you don't have an account, or you don't wish to create one, you can still post comments on the stuff you see posted here. You can also email me with any information you find, and I'll gladly post for you.



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